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gtxovt mipasuxot[edit]

kober tqven ertaderti qartveliwikipedieli brzandebit da iqneb daafiqsirot tqveni azri aq aq qartul0 wikipediashi aqtivoba nulis tolia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.0.140 (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

batono kober, gtxovt iqneb mxari dauchirot gverdis gadatanas. tqvenc xom kargad icit rom iberia egzonimia da misi saxeli kartlia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.91.23 (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

targmani[edit]

gamarjoba,

mainteresebs rogor gadaitargmneba samefo aznauri inglisurad, magalitad tavadi itargmneba rogorc prince magram samefo aznauri? me vfirkob rogorc baroni, rogorc samefo aznauri aseve baronic mefis ushualo vasalebi ikvnen stored vsmjelob tu ara? madlobt. --Heraldicbone (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hello Kober, I wanted to ask -- do you have access to the Georgian original of Leonti Mroveli's Chronicles, and would you be able to verify some questions I have, or if not, might you know somewhat who might be able to? Thanks a ton! --Calthinus (talk) 17:56, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello and sorry for a late reply. Yes, I do have an access to the Georgian text and I would be happy to help you with that. Best, --KoberTalk 11:45, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Great, and thanks for your help. I wanted to verify some things secondary sources-- mainly Amjad Jaimoukha -- said that Mroveli said. First up I guess is this one: that after the time of Alexander the Great, some "Chaldeans" "returned" to the Caucasus. Unfortunately I don't have a cite for where Mroveli might have said that. Do you by chance know if he did though? Thanks again,--Calthinus (talk) 15:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: Well, there is such a passage in Mroveli's chronicle, but it claims that the event occurred in the wake of Alexander's alleged invasion of the Caucasus, not after it. Also, the text does not imply that the alleged Chaldean migration was their "return": "Furthermore, other peoples, the K'aldeveli (=Chaldeans), had come, and they too had settled in K'art'li." (translation by Thomson 1996, p. 24).--KoberTalk 04:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
And it doesn't mention anything about the K'aldeveli or some synonym having come from the Caucasus anywhere else, to your knowledge? --Calthinus (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: No, it does not mention anything like that. The chronicle makes only two more mentions of the Chaldeans, in both cases referring to the mutual enmity of the "Itrujan", the god of the Chaldeans, and Armazi, that of the Georgians. See Thomson, pp. 100, 106. I think Jaimoukha tries to prove too much by identifying the K'aldeveli of the Georgian sources with the Urartian migrants into the South Caucasian heartland. --KoberTalk 18:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
That's what I was afraid of as well. Hence I why I was asking you. Some cleanup may be necessary. Thanks for your help. --Calthinus (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Vakhushti[edit]

Jaimoukha doesn't mention which specific work this came from, unfortunately. What did he say about the "Kakh" of Kakheti? If you don't have access that's fine, I will be removing this momentarily for the time being...--Calthinus (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Well, "Kakh" is an enthnonym referring to the population of Kakheti. So, it naturally recurs multiple times in the works of Prince Vakhushti. Is there any specific passage that might be of interest to you? --KoberTalk 16:56, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Well unfortunately Jaimoukha doesn't seem to have given any sort of page number. But what I'm interested in is where the "Kakh-Batsa" are discussed. Jaimoukha seems to equate these to the Kakh. Naturally I am... curious. --Calthinus (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: I checked Vakhushti's opus and failed to find any mention of "Kakh-Batsa". I was able to find only one passage discussing the possible connection between the Kakh (in the sense of the people of Kakheti) and the Nakh tribes. Immediately after describing geography of Kakheti and the adjacent mountainous valleys, Vakhushti asserts that "due to this" (that is, geographic proximity) the Kakhs claimed Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi (~Ingush), and Kists as "theirs", but these tribes had broken away and did no more recognize these links:

გარნა სდებენ ამათ გამო კახნი ძურძუკთა, ღლიღუთა და ქისტთა თჳსად, გარნა მათ არა უწყიან ესე მიერ ჟამით, ოდეს განდგნენ.

--KoberTalk 15:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Sadly I don't speak Georgian nor do I trust Google Translate for it, but Google Translate makes it look like this quote is about... caterpillars? Is that a metaphor? --Calthinus (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, my bad... I forgot to include the translation. The quote reads: "For this reason [i.e., preceding description of geographic proximity], the Kakhs claimed the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists as their own, but, as for now, they [i.e., the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists] do not recognize this, since they have broken away." --KoberTalk 16:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay I see that now with the Romanization. Amusing, Google translate thinks "dzurdzuk’ta, ghlighuta da kist’ta tŭisad" is "the cattle, and the caterpillars, and the cisterns" :). Thanks Kober! --Calthinus (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Heh, that's really amusing :) You are welcome. Don't hesitate to drop me a line should you have further questions. --KoberTalk 16:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey Kober, so I am working on gradually replacing Jaimoukha with others. He's highly regarded in many things but I think at this rate I'd prefer alternatives in the early history realm, but total deletion would cripple certain pages. Anchabadze works for many things, as will Diakonoff and Starostin, and Nichols, and Tsaroieva for the folklore. Many Georgian authors have contributed a lot on Nakh (pre)history and might be much better -- Gamrekeli and Melikishvili immediately come to mind -- might you have access to any of these? Cheers! --Calthinus (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

In particular, Melikishvilli's work on proposed Nakh origins in the South Caucasus. --Calthinus (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello. Unfortunately, I don't have these sources at hand right now, but I will see what I can do in the near future. I think Melikishvili's 1998 book in Georgian perfectly summarizes all his previous theories on Caucasian prehistory. I will try to get that volume. Best, --KoberTalk 18:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

No rush -- I'm sure we're both busy guys. Thanks again for your help! --Calthinus (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Ali Bey al-Kabir[edit]

Hi Kober, hope all is well. I just corrected this article by using the new EoI Three entry, but I have a few minor questions about its categorization:

Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 20:12, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, Hello. I think the Category:People of the Ottoman Empire of Georgian descent,Category:Former Georgian Orthodox Christians and Category:Converts to Islam from Eastern Orthodoxy best fit the context. --KoberTalk 15:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

gamarjoba![edit]

gamarjoba kober gtxovt naxot es tema. es vandali acilebs udzveles gerbs. aq naxet Talk:Kingdom of Georgia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.202.35.235 (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

gamarjoba. mag gerbis carmomavloba gaurkvevelia da arafrit mtkicdeba rom gamoiyeneboda saqartvelos gerbad. saertod, saqartvelosi me16 saukunemde arc iyo evropuli gagebit gerbebi, mitumetes egeti klasikuri dasavluri heraldikuri dizainit.--KoberTalk 20:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
heraldikuri sabchodan wyaro moviyvane iq weria. tqven didi istoriis mqone wikipedieli xart iqneb damexmarot ro rame gavagebino im temis ganxilvashi im vandals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.202.35.235 (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

demokratiuli saqarTvelos ruka[edit]

გამარჯობა, ჩემი ახალი წიგნის: "ქართველოლოგიის თანამედროვე გამოწვევები" (2019) გარეკანის დიზაინში მინდა გამოვიყენო დემოკრატიული საქართველოს რუკა, რომელიც თქვენი ატვირთულია ვიკი-ში. პლაგიატისაგან თავის დაზღვევისათვის მინდა მივუთითო პირველწყარო. იქნებ გამომიგზავნოთ ეს რუკა https://www.google.com/search?q=Democratic+Republic+of+Georgia+map.jpg&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=8mOeS9I0gGw_cM%253A%252CqABHHqOrRqILFM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kR16-cG7pLVD8AQEhl9cuBsQrC7Ww&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPs86f--XfAhXQtIsKHTiFCpMQ9QEwAXoECAQQBA#imgrc=8mOeS9I0gGw_cM: მაღალი ხარისხით მისი ბოლო ვარიანტის პირველწყაროს მითითებით. ჩემი ფოსტა: tariel.putkaradze@gmail.com

ასევე, თუ დაინტერესდებით, ქართულად (ზოგი ინგლისურადაც) მაქვს წიგნები, რომელთა მონაცემები შეგიძლიათ გამოიყენოთ ვიკიპედიაში:

ტ. ფუტკარაძე, ქართველოლოგიის ორგვარი დაგეგმვა 1917-1935 წლებში, თბილისი, 2011. თანავტორი ი.ვაშაკიძე. გამომცემლობა „უნივერსალი“. Two Types of Planning of Kartvelology in 1917-1935 /Comparative Analysis of Positions of Ivane Javakhishvili and Nicholas Marr/, Tb., 2011; co-author Ia Vashakidze, Tbilisi, 2011

"ევროპული ქარტია რეგიონული ან უმცირესობის ენის შესახებ" და საქართველო", ქუთაისი, 2010; თანაავტორები: ე. დადიანი, რ. შეროზია; "European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages" and Georgia", Kutaisi, 2010; E.Dadiani, R. Serozia; http://www.scribd.com/doc/35702700/Tariel-Putkaradze-Eka-Dadiani-Revaz-Seroozia-2010

"ევროპული ქარტია რეგიონული ან უმცირესობის ენების შესახებ" და საქართველოში ენობრივი პოლიტიკის დაგეგმვის საკითხი, თბ., 2009. "უნივერსალი"; "European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages" and An Issue of Plannig Linguistic Policy in Georgia, Tb. 2009. http://www.scribd.com/doc/12621676/T-Putkaradze-European-Charter-for-Regional-or-Minority-Languages-and-An-Issue-of-Plannig-Linguistic-Policy-in-Georgia;

ქართველები (ისტორიული საცხოვრისი, სამწიგნობრო ენა, დიალექტები, 2005, 624 გვ.; ინგლ. 395-394 გვ.; თურქ. 395-492გვ.; The Georgians The Kartvels (Historical Home, Mother Tongue Dialects); English version pg. 395-492; Turkish version pg. 331-394; გამომცემლობა "ქუთაისის სახელმწიფო უნივერსიტეტი"; Publishing house "Akaki Tsereteli State University"; http://www.scribd.com/doc/2158690/The-Georgians-the-Kartvels; http://www.scribd.com/doc/2158759/Kartveller-Gurculer — Preceding unsigned comment added by ტარიელი (talkcontribs) 05:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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Bagratid Iberia[edit]

გამარჯობა. თქვენი დახმარება მჭირდება სტატიის მწყობრში მოსაყვანად. ჩახლართულ ეპოქას შევეჭიდე და ვცდილობ ნათელი მოვფინო ამ პერიოდს, თუმცა ჯერჯერობით უშედეგოდ. „ქართველთა სამეფოს“ ცნობადობა რომ ამაღლდეს, საჭიროა სწორად მოწოდებული ინფორმაცია, რაც მკითხველს გაუმარტივებს მის აღქმაში. მგონი თქვენზე უკეთ ამას თავს ვერავინ გაართმევს. --Georgiano (talk) 13:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Georgiano:. გამარჯობა. აუცილებლად შევეცდები. ეტაპობრივად... თქვენ ძალიან დიდი შრომა გაწიეთ უკვე შუა სს. საქ. ისტ. წარმოჩენისთვის, რისთვისაც მადლობა. --KoberTalk 18:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgian Armenia[edit]

Seems both of us were pinged.[1] - LouisAragon (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I have already voiced my opinion. --KoberTalk 20:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Kober![edit]

Hello Kober! Please see Talk:The Georgian Chronicles I'd appreciate the feedback and your input there. Thank you. Emperor of Emperors (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:Sasanian people of Georgian descent[edit]

Could you assist in populating this new category? Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 01:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Sure. But I don't quite understand what "Sasanian people" stands for. Part of the Sasanian dynasty? People of the Sasanian Empire? --KoberTalk 12:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
People of the Sasanian Empire. Similar to "Byzantine people of XYZ descent". - LouisAragon (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Then why not to name it "People of the Sasanian Empire of Georgian descent", especially given that the parental category is "People of the Sasanian Empire"? In your example "Byzantine" refers to the state, not the dynasty. As I see it, "Sasanian people" =/= "People of the Sasanian Empire". --KoberTalk 12:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Ah, you're right. I'll adjust it. Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 12:18, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks to you too.--KoberTalk 12:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 Done Its fixed, ready to be populated ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

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წიგნი ჰომ არ გაქვს შემთხვევით - Jones, Stephen F. (2005), Socialism in Georgian Colors: The European Road to Social Democracy, 1883-1917[edit]

სალამი,

ვნახე რომ ეს სურათი გაქვს ატვირთული - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tiflis_City_Hall_after_the_Cossack_attack_1905.jpg

წყაროდ მითითებულია - Jones, Stephen F. (2005), Socialism in Georgian Colors: The European Road to Social Democracy, 1883-1917

ამ წიგნმა დამაინტერესა, შეიძლება კვლევისთვის რაიმე საინტერესო მოვნახო, სად იშოვე ეს წიგნი ჰომ ვერ მეტყვი? რომელიმე ბიბლიოთეკაში ჰომ არ არის? იქნებ მეც მოვახერხო და გადავავლო თვალი როგორმე :)

მადლობა, ნიკა

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გამარჯობა. წიგნი მაქვს, მაგრამ hard-copy. ელ. ვერსია არ მაქვს. მე უცხოელმა მეგობარმა მაჩუქა, მაგრამ ალბათ თბილისის ბიბლიოთეკებშიც არის. ქართულენოვანი თარგმანი იყიდება კიდევაც. http://ligamus.iliauni.edu.ge/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3841. --KoberTalk 12:38, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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Question/help[edit]

Hi Kober. Does any Georgian government agency have data on how many citizens of Armenia live in Georgia? What about Armenian-born population? ----Երևանցի talk 14:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: Hello. I surfed through GeoStat and the only relevant information I found was a file containing annual immigrant stats for the 2012-2018 period according to the country of origin (incl. Armenia): "Number of immigrants and emigrants by sex and citizenship". The Georgian law defines an immigrant as a person of foreign nationality who has crossed into Georgia during the past 12 months and has spent at least 183 days in the country. --KoberTalk 14:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Can you find data on ethnicity and religious affiliation by district (I could only find by provinces) from the 2014 census? ----Երևանցի talk 15:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yerevantsi: You are welcome! Here you can find all sorts of data from the 2014 census, such as "Total population by regions and ethnicity" (which includes individual municipalities) and "Population by regions and religion". And yes, I finally found the data regarding "Population by country of birth","Population by citizenship country", and related stats. --KoberTalk 15:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks again. Appreciate your help! ----Երևանցի talk 13:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Nestor Lakoba FAC[edit]

Hey, I hate to do this, but as you are one of the few users actively working on Georgian articles, I wanted to reach out to you. I have Nestor Lakoba at FAC, and it's in danger of being archived due to lack of reviews. I realise he wasn't exactly Georgian, but if you'd be interested in taking a look it would be much appreciated. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kaiser matias: Hello. I posted a couple of suggestions. Good luck and keep it up. --KoberTalk 19:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for going through it. Glad to have someone else familiar with the region go through it and spot things that aren't apparent to a more general audience. Have addressed everything now, I hope. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:04, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

File:Tbilisi.ogg[edit]

Hi Kober, I "found" you through the sound file for Tbilisi you uploaded. As a native Georgian you know best how to pronounce your capital city. And that's my question: when I hear you, I am quite sure you pronounce it "Tvilisi" with V like Victor and not with B like Bob. But in the english Tbilisi lemma the IPA phonetic script is shown as [tʰbilisi]. Shouldn't it be [tʰvilisi], or didn't I hear your voice correctly? I would be thankful if you helped me. So long, --MedMan (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @MedMan:. It is [tʰbilisi]. The sound file may not be of good quality. Best regards,--KoberTalk 15:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! --MedMan (talk) 00:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Ambartsumian St in Tbilisi?[edit]

Hi! Can you please check if Tbilisi has a street named after Victor Ambartsumian? Thank you. ----Երևանցի talk 17:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Yerevantsi: I failed to locate Ambartsumian St. in the Tbilisi street directory. Best, --KoberTalk 15:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! ----Երևանցի talk 15:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Need your insight[edit]

Per this edit[2], EternalJin has contended that Georgian figures can be found in Alexander Mikaberidze, Historical Dictionary of Georgia, 148-149. Needless to say, Mikaberidze makes no mention of Georgian troop figures at Aspindzapage 149.

Do you have any sourced figures for Aspindza? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Well, I just checked the book on Aspindza by Prof. Valerian Macharadze published in Georgian in 1957 (p. 68). This is the most comprehensive treatment of the subject ever published. According to Macharadze, various sources put the number of Turkish-Lesgian troops at 4,000 , 6,000 or 8,000. The latter figure is based on an account of Turkish POWs, who also reported that around 4,000 were killed and wounded. There were around 60 documented Turkish-Lesgian POWs. The Georgians had a 7,000-strong force, with 3 cannons, at the beginning of the campaign, but no more than 5,000 were reportedly available at Aspindza. Their Russian allies, 1,200 soldiers with 10-12 cannons, defected just before the battle. The Georgian casualties are described as "light" without going into details.--KoberTalk 15:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much Kober!--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi Kober, Georgian Orthodox Church was moved to a new name. Is it a correct one? Can you clarify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.66.100 (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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Lede of this article[edit]

A certain user (conveniently logging out when its get too hot under his/her feat) has been trampling on the lede of this article.[3] Right now its unreadible, and packed with WP:UNDUE/POV. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't find it unreadable but it is more of a cherrypicked version of Georgia's political history rather than the ethnic history of Georgians which is not that good. The entire article, I would say, is in a deplorable condition. I'll surely get to that article one day, but not right now... --KoberTalk 09:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Your assessment is more on point. Hope you and your family are doing well btw during this corona madness. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: Thank you. Well, trying our best... Hope you are also doing fine. Keep it up and stay in good health.--KoberTalk 19:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Thoughts?[edit]

[4] --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

ka:ბაგრატ თეიმურაზის ძე[edit]

გამარჯობა Kober. თქვენი უდიდესი პატივისცემით განწყობილი, როგორც ვიკიპედიაში ერთ-ერთი უდიდესი წვლილის შემტანი, არამარტო ქართულ ვიკიპედიაში, მიმაჩნია რომ უსამართლოდ ვიბლოკები, ამჯერად 3 თვით. მოგახსენებთ ka:ბაგრატ თეიმურაზის ძე შევქმენი და დაიწერა უკატეგორიო. გარკვეულწილად მცირე შესწორებები შევიტანე, მაგრამ დავიბლოკე ისევ, მიზეზი არასწორი ინფორმაციის შეტანა, არადა მივუთითე წყარო და ვერ გავიგე თუ რატომ მედება ბლოკი. ჩემთვის აუხსნელია. კი ბატონო, რაიმე შეცდომა დავუშვი, მითხარი და ვთანხმდები ან/და დახმარება გამიწიე, მაგრამ ასე ერთი ხელის მოსმით. ვიმეორებ წყაროები მითითებულია აღნიშნულ გვერდზე. დიდად დავალებული დაგრძებით თუ ჩემს თხოვნას ბლოკირების ვადის შემცირებასთან დაკავშირებით, ზემდგომს აუხსნით, მე ვერ ვწერ. პატივისცემით: Lasha-george

გამარჯობა და მადლობა კომპლიმენტისთვის. ზოგადად ვიკიპედიას თავისი წესები აქვს. ამ წესების იგნორირება იწვევს სტატიების ხარისხში არაერთგვაროვნებას (არ ვამბობ, რომ თქვენი სტატია უხარისხოა, ზოგადად ვამბობ), რაც სხვა რედაქტორებს საქმეს უძნელებს: ყოველთვის ძნელია სხვისი შემოტანილი სტატიის გასწორება და სტანდარტიზაცია. ამიტომ გთხოვთ, რომ მიჰყვეთ იმ წესებს, რაზეც ყველა ერთად ვართ შეთანხმებული. ბლოკის მოხსნაზე შეგიძლიათ საკუთარ გვერდზე გააკეთოთ მიმართვა და მას აუცილებლად განიხილავენ. პატივისცემით, --KoberTalk 07:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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David II of Imereti[edit]

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Thanks for letting me know. Cheers, --KoberTalk 15:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Sergo Ordzhonikidze[edit]

Hi there, I'm sorry to do this again, but I've got the Sergo Ordzhonikidze article at FAC, and I'm afraid it may be archived unless it gets some more attention soon. As you are one of the few editors I know who actively works on Georgian-related topics (and does so strongly, I might add), I was wondering if you would be interested in giving some comments. I realize most of his career was outside Georgia, but anything you can add would be highly appreciated. And if not, that is certainly fine as well, I totally understand. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kaiser matias: Hello! Thanks for letting me know. Good job on the article. I will definitely look into it in the next few days. Cheers, --KoberTalk 18:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Just to let you know I replied to your email message. Kaiser matias (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Georgians[edit]

Greetings Kober! Gamarjoba! I'd like to ask you if can to share your ideas or thoughts at the talk page. It is concerning the statistical data of the number of Georgians in the country and abroad. I'd appreciate your feedback. Thank you. Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

კობერ, იმეილი მოგწერეთ.  [edit]

კობერ გამარჯობა! იმეილი მოგწერეთ, გთხოვთ შეამოწმოთ როცა შეძლებთ. დიდი მადლობა! An emperor /// Ave 14:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

George V the Brilliant[edit]

Greetings Kober! Just found this posted as fresco of the king. Do you happen to have any information if this is truly his fresco and where is it originally depicted? Thanks. Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 08:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Emperor of Emperors: hi. I have some doubts that it really represents George V. I will try to do some research into it in the coming days. Best regards, --KoberTalk 15:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Kober! Gratefully. An emperor /// Ave 15:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

"Hymnographer" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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დიდი მადლობა. :) --KoberTalk 15:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for review[edit]

Hello Kober, could you review these new articles (Georgia–South Ossetia border & Abkhazia–Georgia border) about Georgia and its Russian-occupied territories? It is not quite clear to me if their title and content is acceptable or NPOV (I think calling these regions equal to Georgia is not NPOV). Since you are more experienced editor of the topics regarding Georgia, I am asking for your review. Thank you in advance.--Ⴂ. ႡႠႪႠႾႠႻႤ 15:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing cites in David IV of Georgia[edit]

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Family Jaqeli[edit]

Hello User:Kober. I have a doubt with a member of this family. The character is Qvarqvare II Jaqeli. I say that because some articles mention that he was Bagrat I of Imereti’s father-in-law. But, it happened in the 14th century. On the other hand, the article about Qvarqvare II says that he was born in the 15th century. I thought that Qvarqvare I Jaqeli was Bagrat I’s father-in-law, but the article about him doesn’t mention if he had a female child. Could you explain me this, please? Kardam (talk) 23:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Кардам: Hi. I'm afraid I cannot comment on this without reexamining the Jaqeli genealogy, which I'll try to do in the nearest possible future.--KoberTalk 20:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

The "Vakhtang" seal (British Museum)[edit]

Hi Kober, hope you're doing well. Am I right in saying that this stamp seal[5] does not refer to Vakhtang I of Iberia? If it actually does, it would fit good in several articles. This is what the British Museum tells:

"The Middle Persian inscription gives a personal name, initially read as Vartanake but more recently as Vaxtang which is also attested in Georgian and was that of a famous K'art'velian king whose biography survives as "The Life of Vaxtang": this particular seal belongs to a private individual rather than ruler however".

In the caption you added on Commons it states that it is "sometimes" identified with Vakhtang I.[6] Would be grateful if you could shed light on this. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Hello. An attempt to identify the person depicted on the seal with Vakhtang has been made, but it is almost impossible to prove it. This is just a conjecture. If I am allowed to be POVish here, on my talk page, I consider that a wishful thinking. --KoberTalk 20:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Greetings[edit]

Greetings and salutations my dear friend Kober! Your contribution to the Georgia related articles on Wikipedia is immense and any praise would be insufficient to convey the magnitude of your work. I dont have enough words to express my sincere gratitude for your stern dedication and brilliance of pen! Not only are your artiles numerous in number, encompassing every aspect of Georgian life, history, tradition and culture but also written with eloquence and academic standard which would make any Oxford Uni scholar envy. You have done a great service to your country in expanding our knowledge, understanding, insight and creating an abundance of discovery in every field. Kober my fiend you have done more than any past or current Georgian scholar of history, linguistics, political science, conflictology, international relations, culture and gave our children the gift of knowledge. The greatest gift one can give to their children and country. Iberieli (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Please feel free to join User:Iberieli/sandbox and add info if your time allows :) Iberieli (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello Iberieli. Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate your comment, although I think you are overestimating my role. :) :) I have not been very active recently, leaving me disappointed in the lack of interest our compatriots take in English Wikipedia. This project is a team work, if anything. Your article on Erosi is an excellent piece. I'm glad that you're back with your unsurpassed writing skills. Keep it up!--KoberTalk 05:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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შეკითხვა[edit]

გამარჯობათ Kober! გულახდილად გეტყვი, მართლა შესანიშნავად მუშაობთ. მე ვიტყოდი სრულყოფილად. თქენთან კითხვა მაქვს, უსასრულო ბლოკირებასთან დაკავშირებით, რომელიც მე მივიღე, მე ვფიქრობ უსამართლოდ (თქვენ შესაძლებელია სხვაგვარად ფიქრობდეთ, თუმცა გარწმუნებთ და აქ აღარ დავკონკრეტდები თუ თქვენ არ შემეკითხეთ თუ რატომ დავიბლოკე. ყოველშემთხვევაში უსასრულოდ ბლოკირება ნამდვილად არ დამიმსახურებია), უსასრულო ინგლისურშიც მქონდა რედაქტირების ომის გამო, მაგრამ მომეხსნა. ქართულში ადმინისტრატორებმა არ მიპასუხეს იმის შესახებ უსასრულობა – უსასრულობას ნიშნავს თუ შესაძლებელია გარკვეული პერიოდის გასვლის შემდეგ რაიმე შეიცვალოს, ხომ არ გაქვთ პასუხი ამის შესახებ? მადლობთ წინასწარ.--Lasha-george (talk) 11:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

გამარჯობა. მადლობა კომპლიმენტისთვის. უსასროლო უაპელაციოს არ ნიშნავს რამდენადაც ვხვდები. შესაძლებელია, რომ თქვენს გვერდზე მოითხოვოთ თქვენი შემთხვევის გადახედვა და სანქციის შეცვლა. როგორც წესი ადმინისტრატორები ამას პასუხობენ. რა გადაწყვეტილებას მიიღებენ, რთული სათქმელია, მაგრამ ვფიქრობ განსახილველად უნდა მიიღონ. --KoberTalk 15:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Requesting some article expansion help[edit]

Greetings,

Came across your recent edit to article related to Georgia (country). I was looking for some proactive help in a chronological merging

Coastal and port cities on Black Sea coast (list) (to create an interactive map further for the article) from some one who is acquaint/ interested in Black Sea region. Pl. visit the section list and help out if you find interested.

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RfC on Georgia[edit]

I noticed you are a recently active member of WikiProject Georgia (country). There is ongoing Request for Comments (RfC) regarding content on the Georgia (country) article. You are cordially invited to join the discussion because as WikiProject Georgia member you may be able to offer valuable perspectives. Kind regards --LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 09:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Armeno-Georgian War[edit]

Hello Kober, would you potentially be interested in helping out with Georgian, preferably academic sources on that topic ? TheMightyGeneral (talk) 13:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@TheMightyGeneral: hello. Unfortunately, I cannot get involved in the actual discussion due to the current constraints of real life, but I can help with the sources. You can use international authors such as F. Kazemzadeh, The Struggle for Transcaucasia (Oxford, 1951) and D. M. Lang, A Modern History of Georgia (New York, 1962). If you need them, just drop me a line.
As for Georgian authors, the best (and pretty balanced) treatment of political aspects of the Armeno-Georgian conflict is სახელმწიფოებრივი საზღვრების საკითხი საქართველო-სომხეთის ურთიერთობაში: 1917-1921 წ.წ / ნინო ვაშაყმაძე. ქუთაისი, 2002. Unfortunately I don't have it at hand right now. Military details are best covered in the oft-cited dissertation by Archil Chachkhiani, which you can find here. You can also refer to this article by Prof. Mamatsashvili. Besides, there is a succinct treatment of the war in the encyclopedic საქართველოს დემოკრატიული რესპუბლიკა (1918-1921) : ენციკლოპედია-ლექსიკონი / ავტორ-შემდგენელთა ჯგუფი: თამარ ათანელიშვილი, გიორგი ასტამაძე, მიხეილ ბახტაძე [და სხვ.] ; მთ. რედაქტორი დიმიტრი შველიძე ; ივანე ჯავახიშვილის სახ. თბილისის სახელმწ. უნ-ტი. საგამომცემლო ცნობები თბილისი : თბილ. უნ-ტის გამ-ბა, 2018. The book is available online and that specific entry can be found on pp. 404-405. Hope this helps, --KoberTalk 07:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
@Kober: thank you. Yeah I would ask for the Kazemzadeh and Lang ones too if that's okay with you, really any additional third party source will help. I appreciate the suggested Georgian ones. Do those meet WP:RS conditions ? thank you very much for the timely response. I would also mention your contribution on assisting with sources, unless you don't wish to. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 11:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
@TheMightyGeneral: You are welcome. Obviously, they are WP:RS. All these are academic publications by well-known authors and/or institutions. As for Kazemzadeh and Lang, please email me so as I could share them with you. I don't have any problem with my help being mentioned. I would, in fact, appreciate that. And I will join the discussion as time and energy permit. --KoberTalk 12:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
@Kober: very well, I sent a mail. I will definitely mention you then. Your contribution would be very appreciated Kober, but naturaly real life takes priority. I understand that. Take care. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
@Kober: Excellent, this will definitely help. Thank you very much Kober. TheMightyGeneral (talk) 13:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
You are welcome. Cheers, --KoberTalk 13:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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