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October 27, 2010Good article nomineeListed

Site of the battle[edit]

I reverted an anonymous edit that adjusted the site of the battle to Blacksburg, South Carolina. Blacksburg SC and King's Mountain NC have both tried for years to gain fame as the site of the battle. Both are about the same distance away (4 to 5 miles), and neither existed at the time it was fought. I hope this doesn't become a revert war. I chose the NC site since the name matches, and it matches the mailing address of the National Battlefield Park. Besides the name seems more appropriate. Another piece of trivia, the state line goes right through the battlefield. Just wanted to explain the revert. Lou I 20:12, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The mailing address of the Kings Mountain National Military Park is 2625 Park Rd., Blacksburg, SC 29702. -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:44, 2005 May 11 (UTC)

The actual battlefield is in rural North Central York County, South Carolina. The National Military Park Headquarters is at the summit of the mountain at the confluence of Park Road and Battleground Road. Since the battleground is in South Carolina, the closest post office, and hence the mailing address, is Blacksburg, SC.

Move Battle of King's Mountain to Battle of Kings Mountain[edit]

The official name of the national military park is Kings Mountain National Military Park (no apostrophe in Kings). I propose to ask an administrator to move Battle of King's Mountain to Battle of Kings Mountain if there is no dissent by June 11, 2005. -- Fingers-of-Pyrex 19:48, 2005 May 11 (UTC)

Overmountain Men redirect?[edit]

I don't think Overmountain Men should be redirected to this battle, they appeared in other battles too, like Battle of Cowpens and also in The Wataugans. --Awiseman 19:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I created this as its own article. --AW 22:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

Good article so far. Carom 03:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason that a numerically inferior group of Patriots could acomplish such a lopsided victory is related to their weapons. The Loyalists had smooth bore muskets and the Patriots came equiped with their hunting "long rifles". The long rifles had a much greater range than the musket. I belive that this article would be a good place to talk about the differences between the two weapons. These differences in equipment were also important to the groups that harrassed Cornwallis as he moved north. This difference in equipment was also central to many other revolutionary battles. This article is one of the most detailed I have seen on this battle. Keep up the good work. 65.54.155.14 (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Link[edit]

I deleted the link to http://www.redcoat.me.uk since the site is far from objective. I don't imagine the likes of "The rebel's strategy of attacking Loyalists, tarring and feathering them etc. to force them to resign their posts could have provided a role model for Hitler in the 1930's..." qualifies as recommended reading. 76.177.181.37 (talk) 04:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Patriot versus Frontiersman[edit]

A few months ago wholesale changes of the use of Patriot were made by an IP editor with no explanation. I have restored the use of the common (especially when contrasted as it is in this article with Loyalists) term instead of the ambiguous term "frontiersman". Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 12:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with that. I'm no great fan of the "Patriot" term, but frontiersman is an even worse one. Some of the loyalists could have been described as 'frontiersmen as well - it's way too ambiguous. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Duration: 65 minutes or several hours?[edit]

The Battle section says "After several hours of combat", but the Aftermath section say the battle lasted only 65 minutes (neither with citation). Which is it? -Gomm 21:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Image for article[edit]

I noticed that this article has no images save a map of Blacksburg, South Carolina. I thought I'd recommend one I came across in my research on Isaac Shelby. Page 54 of the book Isaac Shelby: Kentucky's First Governor and Hero of Three Wars (1974) contains a painting titled "Battle of King's [sic] Mountain" attributed only to "Chappel". After some research on Google, I believe this may refer to Alonzo Chappel, although I can't find any reference to the work online. The copy in this book is black and white, and probably would not display well, but if someone could find a color copy, I believe this would be a good image to illustrate the battle. Acdixon (talk contribs count) 15:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I have added two images of a painting of the battle and a tactical map. What other images are needed?- (Wikipedian1234 (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC))
Those images look great, Wikipedian1234. I think just those two are sufficient for an article of this size. Thanks so much! Acdixon (talk contribs count) 14:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Patriot POV[edit]

I noticed that in this article, American troops are referred to as Patriots. While it is generally accepted that the term for the Americans revolting against the British be called Patriots to discriminate from the Americans who were loyal to the crown, is this not a violation of POV? In nearly every other article, battles in which Americans won are simply called American victories. Conversely in battles which Loyalist militia won, it is not called a Tory victory, but Loyalist victory. Should "Patriot" in articles be altered to American? It also saves confusion amongst people who don't know much about this era; they may view Patriot as another faction. (Trip Johnson (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC))

We had this discussion during my FA nom of Isaac Shelby, who was ironically one of the major players in this battle. As you can see, I made the decision there to change "patriot" to "colonist", although "revolutionary" was also suggested. I might suggest consulting a user who specializes in this period of history. (Kevin Myers comes to mind.) Acdixon (talk contribs count) 16:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Not every Colonist rebelled though. Hmm, this could open a bag of worms --AW (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

"Colonist", as the user above notes correctly, isn't appropriate. Neither is "American", since all the troops in the battle but Ferguson were Americans. So it's "Patriot" or "Rebel", with "Loyalist" or "Tory" to describe those loyal to George III. I have read many books about the Revolution and "Patriot" is exclusively used to refer to those Americans fighting for independence. Vidor (talk) 06:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

note the dictionary definitions: The Oxford English Dictionary" #3 definition of "Patriot" is "A person actively opposing enemy forces occupying his or her country; a member of a resistance movement, a freedom fighter. Originally used of those who opposed and fought the British in the American War of Independence." Rjensen (talk) 04:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Reorganized[edit]

Cleaned up, rewrote and reorganized what was a pretty messy battle. Relied on the Buchanan book since it was the only source at hand. Vidor (talk) 06:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Image deletion[edit]

Interested parties should know that I nominated File:Battle of King's Mountain.jpg (the image at the top of this article) for deletion from Commons. The artist is apparently still alive, and the image is thus likely under copyright. The discussion (minimal so far) is here. Magic♪piano 16:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)



GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of Kings Mountain/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    One awkward tag to resolve.
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
    Howard, Ward and Sweeny listed, but not cited. Cite #1 incomplete; date, publisher, etc.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Link Tryon County and North Carolina on first appearance. What is meant by Carolina Back Country? How did the prisoners escape?
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

All done except for the prisoner question; figuring that out now. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

What I found was that the prisoners were being moved in a long line through wooded areas, and food seemed to be scarce during the march. What I'm not finding is any specific reason for their escape that can be explained easily; it seemed to be gradual over the course of the march. I can try to add something in if you'd prefer, though I don't want to make it overly wordy. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Went and did that, so all issues fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

North Carolina militia[edit]

In reading the article, it struck me that, while the Overmountain men are featured very (perhaps too) prominently, and the men from Georgia and South Carolina are mentioned, the militia from the non-mountain areas of North Carolina are totally ignored. I know for a fact that between 60-80 men from Lincoln County participated, and I believe several other detachments from the surrounding area were involved (Rowan County springs to mind), with total numbers in the low to mid hundreds. However, I have no primary sources readily at hand to substantiate this - most of my understanding of the battle comes from library books and annual visits to the national park. Would someone with a more complete library like to rectify this? 99.50.119.143 (talk) 14:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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